Monday, June 23, 2025

Thoughts from All Over on Originalism

 

Sorry for not posting for a while. We’ve been busy with some basement remodeling after a drainpipe broke. And then my wife and I helped drive my sister to Wichita for her mission. She didn’t want to drive alone, and the Church didn’t want her to either, so we split the driving duties and kept her company. It was also a great excuse for us to visit our 49th and 50th states. We had been to all but Arkansas and Oklahoma, so now we have hit the big 5-0. Anyway, that’s my excuse, but we’re back now, and I thought this topic might interest some readers.

I’m no legal scholar, but I have always found the philosophy behind originalism to be quite suspect. I subscribe to the New York Times and read pieces from it virtually every day, but I rarely get into the comment section of the articles. Today, however, I finally got around to reading “The Supreme Court Is Divided in More Ways Than You’d Think,” by J. Joel Alecia, originalist law professor at the Catholic University, published on June 9, 2025, and I opened up the comments to see what readers had to say about originalism. I found it quite fascinating. Here’s a sampling of the 531 comments. (I’ve corrected a couple of words [in brackets] that you might trip over but have left the comments otherwise unedited, which took some self-restraint, believe me.) Enjoy.

 

Craig M Oliner

Merion Station, Pennsylvania June 10

What does originalism say about social media use by children?

 

Funes el Memorioso

Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius June 10

You l[o]st me at “originalists such as myself”. The Constitution was written before the Industrial Revolution, when Marie Antoinette still wore her head, and Beethoven was a pre-teen. The world has changed, dude. So should the Constitution.

 

Chris

CA June 10

This is a well written and scholarly view of originalism. I will now rebut your thesis from the cheap seats: Originalism is neither a philosophy nor a discipline as practiced by this court. It is a tool. A tool that is taken off the shelf when it can be used to support the Justices’ ideology and political worldview and utterly ignored when it does not support the answer that they want to arrive at. Barrett may keep some faith with originalist philosophy but the others just use it as window dressing when it is convenient. Sorry.

 

KeninDFW

DFW June 10

This originalism is ridiculous. In my 7th grade Civics class in the late 70s we learned the Constitution was purposely writ[t]e[n] in vague and unspecific language to allow justices “in the future” to interpret the document and apply it for “future” generations. Congress was tasked with writing specific language in their statutes to address current situations. Congress has the power to make, modify and repeal laws that are then signed by the President, hence we have the separation of powers. Unfortunately states have loaded up their state constitutions with outdated and obsolete laws like you have to tie your horse to the railing before going inside the saloon which remain and are never repealed. We need to strike originalism from our justices and stop insisting that machine guns are just fine and dandy.

 

Ken Winkes

Conway, WA June 10

Seeking answers to most contemporary problems and challenges in a document written 250 years ago makes no more sense that divining bird entrails , consulting runes or casting dice. No modern weaponry in the Founders’ day. No atomic energy. No computers. Heck, only an inkling of electricity, and oh, yeah, no unitary executive, and not even a White House. Who would claim their presidential immunity decision was originalist, tho it sure was original. Alito just makes stuff up. The conservatives, originalists or not, always decide in favor or corporationsno mention of them in the Constitutionover people. Republicans in the pocket of Big Business isn’t very original either.

 

Dave

Buffalo NY June 10

This writer claims that simply because this court is guided by some oddly concocted Constitutional Theory, they are immune from criticisms of being “lawless and political.” That’s like claiming that pseudo-Scientists working under assumptions based on The Flat Earth Theory are going to come to objectively sound conclusions.

 

Slate Hardon

Cincinnati June 10

Originalism as such is the most politically opportunistic methodology for judicial decision making, despite author’s assertion to the contrary. The Justices’ understanding of the original intent of Constitutional provisions always conforms to their contemporary ideological and political positions—and sometimes even to the interests of a particular office holder. No current judge could possibly know the “intent” of the drafters of Constitutional provisions when the drafters themselves could not agree at the time to a singular, uniform meaning of their words. After ratification, there were immediate disagreements over the meaning of the Constitution—and the drafters were still alive. Within decades of ratification, we fought a civil war over differing views of the meaning of the Constitution. It’s convenient now for our “orginalist” Justices that the original drafters are not around to dispute their interpretations. But fortunately a handful of 21st century right wing Justices uniquely know the precise intent of a squabbling bunch of 18th century politicos with different interests and constituencies desperately trying to reach a deal to keep the country from falling apart. Originalism is a scam.

 

FreewayAs

Georgia June 10

In my view doctrines of Constitutional interpretation are less relevant than ideological orientation. The conservative Justices in particular seem to work backwards from a decision they politically want to arrive at and mix and match doctrinal arguments and foundational texts to get there.

 

Peggy Hart

Silverton, Oregon June 10

Two things: *Originalism is not original The Founders came out of the British legal system which is based not on a written Constitution, but rather on precedent. *Originalists might remember that Slave Codes were part of the colonial and US legal systems at the time of the Constitution. Justice Taney, in the Dred Scott Decision, refers to these Slave Codes as “special laws” governing relations between white people and black people. Under these “special laws,” the slave master and patrollers suffered minimal or no legal consequences for violent abuses of black slaves. Violence was necessary to slavery. So was immunity from the law The 14th Amendment’s “equal protection” clause aimed to set down a foundation of one legal system instead of the “original” two. Professor Eric Foner, scholar of Reconstruction, argues that the Civil War Amendments to the Constitution constitute part of the original document. The originalist jurist must decide this: Is the 14th Amendment’s “equal protection” — no more slave laws, no more immunity from prosecution more, or less, original than colonial and extra-Constitutional Slave Codes from the 18th century? The Supreme Court has given prosecutorial immunity to the US President, without mentioning its historical precedent: the freedom of slave masters and patrollers to mistreat Taney’s “people of African descent”. This is a false freedom, because it only exists if the rights of others are extinguished and due process is ignored.

 

John Pace

Memphis June 10

I’m waiting to hear how “originalists” came up with the justification for giving the president immunity for official acts. This nonsense is not only not found in the Constitution it was deliberately NOT granted to the Executive in Article II it actually is contradicted by the Federalist Papers and the determined spirit to avoid enabling the president to acquire the power of a king. It has been clear for decades that originalism is a convenient excuse for taking any action desired in pursuit of a political agenda.

 

Maurie Beck

Encinitas June 9

What does Originalism remind you of? Creationism and Fundamentalist Christianity. Originalism is a return to the original constitution, just like Fundamentalist Christians want the country to return to the true Christianity, which is only reflected in the words of the Bible. Our law would revert to Biblical Law, which sanctions stoning to death for all sorts of behavior that is now considered normal an[d] not criminal. Unfortunately, a return to real Constitutional Originalism would dispense with all but the Ten Amendments. In other words, the 13th and 14th Amendments that outlawed slavery and gave Black people full citizenship should be overturned to deliver the country back to the vision of the Founding Fathers. Of course, a return to Biblical Law would also restore slavery as a god given right.

 

DAC

Canada June 9

Funny how originalists turned a blind eye to “a well regulated militia”, found that corporations are people, that money is equivalent to speech and that women can be forced to bear children. Originalism pretends to be principled but it is a malleable tool that is deployed to enshrine the power and privileges of wealth.

 

Carol

Petaluma, CA June 9

It occurs to me that the shapers of the Constitution would be rather horrified at this concept of ‘originalism.’ These men were bold for their time, envisioning governance by the people, and discarding the strictures of a monarchy. And yet, here we are 237 years post ratification and intellectually lazy, backwards thinkers on the Supreme Court cannot meet the challenges of the century we actually live in.

 

Welby Warner

St. Thomas, VI June 9

This theory of “originalism” is an invented one that can be applied any way the originalist desires, and here’s why. The declaration of independence stated as a presumption that all men are created equal to get the world on the side of the USA in its fight against the British. Having obtained worldwide approval for their cause, they wrote a constitution that violated the premise of the declaration of independence and classified certain persons as less than what the declaration said they were. Inevitably, the conflict between the original premise and the constitution had to surface, and this was corrected by the amendments to the constitution. The idea of originalism presumes that the writers of the constitution got it right the first time, and if this was correct, there would be no need for amendments. So, is the goal of originalists to take us back to the original constitution, and abandon the amendments? This view would erase the concept of progress, the idea that later generations can build on what was learned before, and break new grounds in knowledge and human development. Is the premise of originalism equivalent to the idea that progress is impossible? If originalists believed that, they should never be using computers since these were unknown at the time of the writing of the constitution.

 

Al Orin

NYC June 9

Originalism is such arrant nonsense, but it is a fiction that has served as a clever disguise for straight-out conservatism. It is impossible to know what each legislator of each of the 13 state legislatures were thinking when they voted to ratify the constitution, let alone the thinking of every legislator in each of the 37 states that later ratified the constitution. And it is impossible to know what all of the legislators were all thinking when they ratified the bill of rights and the later amendments, particularly the 14th amendment, which modified the constitution’s original text and meanings. This is in addition to the nonsensical idea that today’s legislation should be forever enchained by the conceptions of late 18th century before the invention of electricity, mass communications, the modern business corporation, etc. and before the discovery of the atom, evolution, and DNA.

 

A.D.

California June 9

Originalism is evil sophistry. “Let’s interpret a document intended to last generations based on bad historical research and the imagined specificity of an era in which white men owned black people. It is inconceivable that the drafters or the those who approved the Constitution thought that 250 years later its ideals, written in broad sweeping language, would be eviscerated in the name of their own historical prejudices.

 

Trisha

Michigan June 9

The constitution was written by people who did not want a king. But it seems like that is what we now have under the current president. Given to us by a so-called originalist group of justices. All of your arguments are trumped by that counter argument. Your article is thereby null and void.

 

Jamie Alderiso

Palm Beach County Florida June 9

“This Supreme Court, contrary to accusations that it is lawless and political, is more committed to a particular constitutional theory than any Supreme Court has been since at least the 1940s.” With all due respect, is this supposed to serve as some mollification to the Court’s critics? Any individual who purports the Court’s neutrality in interpreting the law is woefully delusional. And let’s talk some about originalism. The ontological conception of the idea under law is inane. Yes, it is inane even in its conception. Why would a text written in the late 18th century, albeit one that was written to serve as a guiding light for the sanctity of our nation going forth in administering governance and the rule of law, be inappropriately scrutinized to ascertain the true, original meaning of its writers? Originalism is a smokescreen to hide the Right’s intentions of reshaping the larger culture. The Judiciary’s power is obscene and the most undemocratic of our three branches of government. The constitution doesn’t guarantee a right to an abortion? Correct, abortions aren’t mentioned in the text. You know what else isn’t? The right to board an aircraft. I wonder why. Originalism is a smokescreen to ferment a potent agenda of social conservatism, and it is the exact reason there is no trust in the courts from the American people.

 

Brett

Sydney [Australia, I presume] June 9

Seriously what is wrong with Americans. Even (apparently) intelligent people can say with a straight face that the laws of the land should be based on what a few white males thought hundreds of years ago. How can what they thought then be valid and applicable to a world that is completely different?

 

Matt

Iowa June 9

“...judges ought to interpret the Constitution according to the meaning it had when it was ratified.” When the Constitution was ratified, judicial review of congressional legislation was not a function of the Supreme Court or any other court. Perhaps the originalists have forgotten that. Well, it’s pretty much a moot point now, as constitutional government appears to be moribund, if not already deceased.

 

Arno

Berkeley CA June 9

Such window dressing must make for wonderful conversations at faculty events, and given your employer and political orientation, you are likely to remain faculty. Huzzah. You know in your heart it’s just window dressing. What, exactly, did the founders feel the correct level of regulation for high capacity magazines may have been? Shall we plumb Jefferson’s heart to divine what he makes of AI? Originalism is and ever has been an attempt to legislate through court action, just as you persecute others for doing. You just want to legislate a return to the eighteenth century.

 

Marc

CT June 9

There’s no such thing as originalism, it’s just the justices opinion on how something should be interpreted and provides cover for unpopular decisions. In essence it’s one big rationalization to try and provide a construct for a certain idealogy.

 

Patrick Deaton

St. Louis June 9

Originalism is hogwash. Read Erin Chemerinsky’s book Worse Than Nothing. It is a devastating critique of originalism.

 

Martin

Chicago June 9

Originalism is just another name for a seance conducted by charlatans channeling a bunch of dead people’s “thoughts”.